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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby cdsoundmaster » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:10 am

Hi Eric,

Whatever 'best' public version NAT that users are using is what I'm talking about. I don't keep up with the naming of public release versions. I thought someone in the thread called this Platinum. If the update Giancarlo linked to is what is being used in the best public release version then I suppose NAT3.

It's easiest for me to get one zip of the most current update from someone here.

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CDSoundMaster wrote:I agree that it is a good idea to encourage the most beneficial ethics and benefit to community for sampling at all levels.

You can help me with the next stage of this process and send me the group of templates that come with the NAT Platinum package. I don't work from what was distributed so some advice can only come from seeing what users have to work with.

You can zip the templates and email them to me.

Hi Mangel! Did you mean NAT Pro (NAT 3)? If I understand correctly, Nat Platinum is only for commercial devs.

If you were talking about NAT 3, you can find the latest templates here:

http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/index.php?f=18&t=259&rb_v=viewtopic

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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby lordnielson » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:31 am

trickster wrote:Lord Neilsons pre amp and compressor programs are a case in point; they may not be commercially viable but they sure as hell are appreciated by a lot of users. There are also people out there for who the commercial process itself is not something they want to engage in but would still be interested in sharing a more or less commercially viable product.


This ain't rocket science. Developers aren't demi-gods. And I think it better we try to help each other make Nebula (and Nat) the ultimate plugin before we start milking it and locking it down.

Some of the programs I've done are as good as some of the ones I've paid for. It's a common human flaw (with me as well) to think that price tag means better.
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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby trickster » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:55 pm

^^I agree that yours are as good as some commercial ones. They're awesome. I hope you didn't think I was running you down because I meant quite the opposite.
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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby lordnielson » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:29 pm

trickster wrote:I hope you didn't think I was running you down because I meant quite the opposite.


Not at all mate. It was a general reply. :)
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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby cdsoundmaster » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:00 am

Hi Eric,

Thanks for the zip!

I'll go through these during the week and start adding some info. I hope it will be helpful.

ericus wrote:
CDSoundMaster wrote:I agree that it is a good idea to encourage the most beneficial ethics and benefit to community for sampling at all levels.

You can help me with the next stage of this process and send me the group of templates that come with the NAT Platinum package. I don't work from what was distributed so some advice can only come from seeing what users have to work with.

You can zip the templates and email them to me.

Hi Mangel! Did you mean NAT Pro (NAT 3)? If I understand correctly, Nat Platinum is only for commercial devs.

If you were talking about NAT 3, you can find the latest templates here:

http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/index.php?f=18&t=259&rb_v=viewtopic

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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby SWAN » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:31 pm

I guess there is a potential business conflict with 3rd party commercial program creation and allowing everybody to have the potential to produce programs at the same level. I dont think there is anything sinister going on tho. I dont think its up to the 3rd party devs to give up all their hard won techniques - more Acustica to provide helpful info...

Its pretty well known that Michael, Velinas/Niklas, Alex B have all been instrumental in helping develop the Nebula concept...I can understand why they might get special treatment...whilst I think it was a happy communal development - I dont think anyone ever officially labelled Nebula as a socialist experiment...but Nat was included and payed for as part of a package so I think everyone should get proper instruction...
There has been a paucity of straight forward info available - and that I think is purely down to the humble roots with which Nebula started, a close network of initial samplers exchanging info on the beta forums, and simple disorganisation...

So yes bring forth improved NAT tutorial!
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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby lordnielson » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:23 am

SWAN wrote:I dont think its up to the 3rd party devs to give up all their hard won techniques - more Acustica to provide helpful info...


Agree 100%

I think that Michael (CDsoundmaster) and Niklas (AITB) have helped a lot of people with Nebula and Nat. That's a big task on ones free time.
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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby cdsoundmaster » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:52 pm

Thank you for for the kind words. It means a lot!

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SWAN wrote:I dont think its up to the 3rd party devs to give up all their hard won techniques - more Acustica to provide helpful info...


Agree 100%

I think that Michael (CDsoundmaster) and Niklas (AITB) have helped a lot of people with Nebula and Nat. That's a big task on ones free time.
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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby enriquesilveti » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:07 pm

3rd party commercial delevopers push Acustica Audio requesting Nebula new features for make theirs library best, in the same way Acustica Audio push 3rd party commercial delevopers, eg. Aqua Engine and Nebula Server. We have a huge new features request list for all AA products (including free releases) but at the same time we want to give to customer the best product so we can only spend 50% of time into add new features, and less time for manuals and tutorials.

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Re: new level of NAT transparency

Postby undertone » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:04 am

enriquesilveti wrote: We have a huge new features request list for all AA products (including free releases) but at the same time we want to give to customer the best product so we can only spend 50% of time into add new features, and less time for manuals and tutorials.

Saludos, Enrique

Hi,

Like others, I have an interest in sampling some of my favorite processing presets before I get rid of otherwise rarely used processors. But there just isn't currently enough information to do a complete and proper job without a lot of trial and error, especially when it comes to TMV effects. From my brief experience there would likely still be a lot of trial and error even if I knew what I was doing!

A quick look at the raw xml of the Nat session presets shows that there's a lot of parameters that don't seem to be in the GUI, which means that a lot of sampling preparation and optimization is handled in the template before you even start sampling.

There's clearly a lot of information and I can see how a manual or tutorial can be a lot of work. How about a youTube video? (whatever happened to the nebulatutorial duo? They really did a nice job on the first one...) Or a simple glossary of definitions? That would go some way in alleviating the problem. Is such a document available?

Ok. Back to reverse engineering... ;)
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