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Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:14 pm
by JEL
Looking for sound-card recommendations :)

The minimum requirements etc.

Other tools that are especially useful for NAT-related work.



For now I've been testing NAT workflow only at 44kHz with a simple setup, but interested in people's suggestions for hardware needed to make professionally acceptable programs.

Thanks

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:56 pm
by RE301
Almost 15yrs ago a friend of mine convinced me to get the Metric Halo 2882 which I am still using all these years later, thanks to the company's 'future proofing' ethos and firmware/driver updates - keeping their legacy products from going obsolete.

Great sounding & good sound/build quality/options/long term use vs $ ratio.. They seem a great 'boutique' family-run company..

However (!) - big disqualification for NAT use unfortunately as no Windows drivers yet.. ( promised as being just around the corner - since the beginning!).. Which takes the classic software coder 'two weeks' planned finish time projection to a new level :-0

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:31 pm
by JEL
Thanks :)

Yes, for my use a windows-driver is needed, since I'm on windows.

96kHz sample-rate is the minimum acceptable, correct?
Or would 44kHz-only programs also have a future?

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:47 pm
by Support

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:46 pm
by mathias
JEL wrote: ...
96kHz sample-rate is the minimum acceptable, correct?
Or would 44kHz-only programs also have a future?


there is no "minimum acceptable" i guess.
the best result you'll get, when you sample the gear at the exact rate you want to use it with. if it matches, the result is most perfect.
you need to take into account the quality of your converter. high quality converters sound good at any rate starting from 44,1 khz up to 96khz.
for higher sr, many electrotechnicians say, that you get other problems up there, so higher numbers do not equal "better".

so direct answer: programs at 44,1 khz do absolutely have a future for people working at 44,1 khz in their daw.

i am working mainly at 48 khz, so i do sample at that rate, when doing free programs.

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:16 pm
by basaristudios
The best thing that happened to me soundcard wise was TC Impact Twin.

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:01 am
by JEL
Support wrote:http://www.prismsound.com/music_recording/products_subs/lyra/lyra_home.php


Lyra 1 seems spot on for this kind of sampling. Interesting indeed.

Couldn't find a danish retailer for it, but a german one had it, so could be an option, thanks :)


mathias wrote:there is no "minimum acceptable" i guess.
the best result you'll get, when you sample the gear at the exact rate you want to use it with. if it matches, the result is most perfect.
you need to take into account the quality of your converter. high quality converters sound good at any rate starting from 44,1 khz up to 96khz.
for higher sr, many electrotechnicians say, that you get other problems up there, so higher numbers do not equal "better".

so direct answer: programs at 44,1 khz do absolutely have a future for people working at 44,1 khz in their daw.

i am working mainly at 48 khz, so i do sample at that rate, when doing free programs.


Yes, that makes sense :) (sampling at the rate you want to use, so you avoid unnecessary conversions as much as possible)

With my own music I work at 44.1kHz through the entire digital chain (except for plugins that oversample internally), but I'm not sure that commercial programs at that rate is really possible anymore (with Henry Olonga and others giving away their 44.1kHz programs for free)

I'm test-sampling different things through a prosumer-card at the moment (at 44.1kHz) and I'm getting quite good results with this already.
My first tests used 2 sound-cards (one for input and another for output), but for some reason I got severe phasing-issues that way (I assume it was jitter-related). So I think I'm learning some good lessons already :)


basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:The best thing that happened to me soundcard wise was TC Impact Twin.


I looked that one up too, but couldn't find any dealers for it (I found a few forum-links where people were selling their used models, so I assume it's an older card)
Seemed to be similar to the Lyra though, so at least I now have an idea of what type of card to look for :)
Thanks :)

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:16 pm
by botus99
Anyone have an opinion on the (now discontinued) Echo interfaces in terms of sound quality?

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:03 am
by beingmf3
Do yourself the favour and have a look at the Seraph PCI cards by Marian. Pretty much incredibly good quality, I think. 32bit DA btw.! I almost can't imagine any interface being more "invisible" in a good sense.
The software router is amazing, too.

Regarding the Echo interfaces - years ago I had a Gina 24, and while it was usable, the difference to recent converters is quite stunning. I A/B'd it to the Steinberg MR816, which was clearly (!) superior. Now compare the MR, which gets a lot of praise everywhere (for a reason), to the Marian - it's another step up. I frankly don't understand why those converters seem to be under everyone's radar!?

Re: Soundcard recommendations?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:49 am
by mathias
the marian seraph ad2 looks certainly good. and for that price!
good mention!