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Postby babiuk » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:36 pm

Hi,I'm an old customer of nebula from begining(I'm using neb3 pro from a long time ago and I bought a lot of commercial libs) and I never tried to use Nat but I recently tried to use it for creating programs of a chain of several instances of neb and other plugs. I found that I'm not able even begining...
I read in the forum about a beginners guide or tutorial and some of you gave a link for a vst plugs tutorial in the old forum, but it doesn´t work, it´s a dead link.
Would you help me (and I'm sure a lot of us will be so happy) to start?
I don´t know how to do anything, please, a "starting tutorial" would be wonderful in order to use that other side of nebula I never tried. Just something like how to create a program using another program.

Thanks in advance to all of you
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby enriquesilveti » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:16 am

The NAT tip of the month (#1 - September 2010)
Changing sample rate of a emulation preset using NAT
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The NAT tip of the month (#2 - October 2010)
Testing emulation presets in NAT with test signals and music.
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The NAT tip of the month (#3 - November 2010)
Editing Nebula CAT in NAT
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The NAT tip of the month (#4 - December 2010)
Sampling an AD-DA loop
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The NAT tip of the month (#5 - January 2011)
Sampling an AD-DA loop expert settings
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The NAT tip of the month (#6 - February 2011)
Sampling an AD-DA loop expert settings II
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The NAT tip of the month (#7 - March 2011)
Sampling an AD-DA, DA-AD Loop research
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

The NAT tip of the month (#8 - April 2011)
Sampling a simple filter.
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

The NAT tip of the month (#9 - May 2011)
Sampling a simple EQ
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The NAT tip of the month (#10 - June 2011)
Sampling a panpot
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

The NAT tip of the month (#11 - July 2011)
Setting NAT preferences
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The NAT tip of the month (#12 - August 2011)
How commercial libraries are done
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The NAT tip of the month (#13 - September 2011)
Exploring different preamp sessions.
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... =viewtopic

The NAT tip of the month (#14 - October 2011)
Installing NAT in a x64 OS
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The NAT tip of the month (#15 - November 2011)
Understanding how to create AUT files with libraries
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The NAT tip of the month (#16 - December 2011)
Creating R2R and Tape Booster Plus
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The NAT tip of the month (#17 - January 2012)
Using NAT patch feature
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... pic#p23547

The NAT tip of the month (#18 - February 2012)
Import CSV files feature.
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... pic#p23673

The NAT tip of the month (#19 - March 2012)
How to use fixed value in filters and EQs
URL: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... pic#p26918

The NAT tip of the month (#20 - April 2012)
How to work at high resolution sample rates.
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby babiuk » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:22 pm

Hi, enrique,
thanks for answering. I do appreciate your help but I'd like you to give any fast start tutorial for starting, just to make a simple vst chain of plugins into a program, not an eq or preamp, just a simple how to convert a single plugin into a program.
Is this possible or it´s just oriented to sample hardware?
I saw a link to a post in the old forum not working for anymore, do you know if this "vst to program" tutorial is live enywhere?
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby yr » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:37 pm

If you are trying to sample a saturation effect then it's quite easy: you should start by downloading the latest NAT sessions (v10 I think). Next, start NAT and navigate to the sessions, go to "offline presets"/preamps and choose "Distorted Pre (7 kernels) - smooth2 - OFFLINE".

Now you need to set a temp data route (on the NAT offline sampling page), give your preset a name and description and finally press on "Generate" to create a test-tone. Next, open the test-tone in your audio-editor, process it the way you want and save under a different name. Navigate in NAT "temp data" to the new (processed) file, select it and then press "Deconvolve".

Next you need to check your preset and use the padin/padout (edit/glob in Nebula) to make fine adjustments to the sound levels and saturation. You can use the "vst plugin analyzer" for visual feedback.
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby babiuk » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:24 am

Thanks a million, Yuval, this is sooo useful. :D

I did try it and create the n2p and n2v files, but when I load the program in nebula it doesn´t do anything to the audio, the effect of the program is zero.

I used the pre session as you told and I took the test tone generated (it's a chain of pieces of "fade out" where the level is decreasing from one to the next one) and I rendered it through an FX (the first experiment was through a plugin of echo and the second time it was through a simple plugin sounding like an old radio, both times creating a 32 bits output file). When the np2 and nv2 files were created(for both experiments) I just put them into neb library folder and I didn´t do anything more.

Am I doing something wrong? It´s strange cos nebula load the program but there is no effect to the audio.
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby babiuk » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:30 am

I just used (for rendering thorugh a FX)the name.wav test tone file generated, not the name_EA or name_ER.
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby Martinez » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:40 am

Is it actually possible to sample a whole chain of nebula into a single instance?

For example if you had vocal chain you almost always use, could you capture it into a single instance of nebula?
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby yr » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:17 am

@babiuk- did you use the new (processed) wav for de-convolving? you need to choose it in the "temp data" window.

It sounds like you are doing things properly so I'm not sure why you are not getting a working preset. You can speed up your tests by using less repetitions in the test tone: click on the "Expert" tab and under "Number" change it to 5 (from 30)-should be enough for testing. Press "Offline" to go back to your original work-space. Don't forget to press on "generate" and this time just use this test-tone for processing (re-writing the file) so there is no file confusion possible.

@martinez- it's possible but a bit tricky, because the playback engine sometimes generates a lot of digital junk (depending on the preset) which might be "doubled" with the new preset. Also, the new preset will sound slightly different no matter what you do, but it is possible to get very good results.

You could, for instance, process the first (loudest) repetitions of the test tone with your preset chain at a lower volume (using a gain plugin before & after the chain). Another option is just sample the chain as is and use padin/padout later with your new preset to "skip" any damaged/odd parts of the test-tone.
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby Martinez » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:31 am

Thank you yr.

It sounds a bit trick for me I think.
I best leave that sort of stuff to the experts I think.
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Re: NAT starting guide

Postby enriquesilveti » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:05 am

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