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Re: Fresh 1.3.486 N3 Pro x64 doesn't initialize all kernels

Postby Tim Petherick » Fri May 06, 2011 2:11 am

Ok,

I've got a problem,its different to this.

The buffer on nebula when set to lowest sounds different to when its set higher.The sound is tighter when set low so... i set it low., but when i save it and reload It stutters which is strange ,is this an error? You can hear the changes straight away but on reload after saving nebula strugles!

The best way to hear the difference is to load up plex delay and set buffer high and then low . High sounds grainy.

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Re: Fresh 1.3.486 N3 Pro x64 doesn't initialize all kernels

Postby giancarlo » Fri May 06, 2011 5:49 am

which buffer? check the kernel length in KERN page. If it's the same it can't sound different
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Re: Fresh 1.3.486 N3 Pro x64 doesn't initialize all kernels

Postby fuseburn » Fri May 06, 2011 9:08 am

Guys !
Thanks for all your support !

I added 2 more audio clips, this time the same effect through x86 nebula. Feel free to listen for differences, there are some for me, and especially compared to the x64 versions.
Loop VNXT Plate x86.wav
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Changing HDIM to 20 didn't change anything for me.

For now I'll stick to the x86-version since it's giving me the best sound from the start. For rendering I'll do the "move max kernel fader" manoveur.

Oh, Mercado, here's the Reaper-project for you to participate ;-)
Nebula Kernels Test - x86 vs x64.zip
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Just for completeness, this is the Nebula3CoreII64 Reverb.xml (which is identical to the one for the x86 version, apart from MAGIC - what's that anyway ?). Basically just all Time limits to the max and nothing else changed.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<?generated by Nebula2 parser?>
<MASTER>
<MAGIC> 4627 </MAGIC>
<DATAPATH> C:\Program Files\Steinberg\vstplugins\nebulatemprepository\ </DATAPATH>
<PROGRAMSUBPATH> Programs/ </PROGRAMSUBPATH>
<VECTORSUBPATH> Vectors/ </VECTORSUBPATH>
<SETUPSUBPATH> Setups/ </SETUPSUBPATH>
<CACHESUBPATH> Temp/ </CACHESUBPATH>
<SKINSUBPATH> Skins/ </SKINSUBPATH>
<SETUPROMNAME> Rom.xml </SETUPROMNAME>
<WORKBUFFER> 131072 </WORKBUFFER>
<THREADS> 1 </THREADS>
<THREADSMINDIM> 0 </THREADSMINDIM>
<HDIMMAX> 10 </HDIMMAX>
<DICTIONARYROMNAME> Rom.xml </DICTIONARYROMNAME>
<DICTIONARYSUBPATH> Dictionaries/ </DICTIONARYSUBPATH>
<FIXEDQUALITY> 0 </FIXEDQUALITY>
<METERTYPE> 4 </METERTYPE>
<OTIMED> 5 </OTIMED>
<OFREQD> 11 </OFREQD>
<PROGRAMRATE> 2000 </PROGRAMRATE>
<EXPORTAUDIOQUALITY> 1 </EXPORTAUDIOQUALITY>
<FORCEOFFSET> 1500 </FORCEOFFSET>
<LTIMED> 30000 </LTIMED>
<LFREQD> 10922666 </LFREQD>
<GUIRATE> 79999 </GUIRATE>
<HDIM> 10 </HDIM>
<BPMDEFAULT> 120000 </BPMDEFAULT>
<AHEADLENGTH> 1500 </AHEADLENGTH>
<SCANBOOT> 1 </SCANBOOT>
<AUTOTHREAD> 0 </AUTOTHREAD>
<FASTBOOT> 1 </FASTBOOT>
<RATECONVERSION> 9000000 </RATECONVERSION>
<FONTCOLOUR> 0 </FONTCOLOUR>
<SKINNAME> OverwriteMe.N2S </SKINNAME>
<NODROP> 1 </NODROP>
<LOADERPRIORITY> 1 </LOADERPRIORITY>
<MODE> 1 </MODE>
<DSPBUFFER> 8192 </DSPBUFFER>
<MIDISTSMIX1> 176 </MIDISTSMIX1>
<MIDICTRMIX1> 127 </MIDICTRMIX1>
<MIDISTSMIX2> 176 </MIDISTSMIX2>
<MIDICTRMIX2> 127 </MIDICTRMIX2>
<MIDISTSMIX3> 176 </MIDISTSMIX3>
<MIDICTRMIX3> 127 </MIDICTRMIX3>
<MIDISTSMIX4> 176 </MIDISTSMIX4>
<MIDICTRMIX4> 127 </MIDICTRMIX4>
<MIDISTSMIX5> 176 </MIDISTSMIX5>
<MIDICTRMIX5> 127 </MIDICTRMIX5>
<MIDISTSMIX6> 176 </MIDISTSMIX6>
<MIDICTRMIX6> 127 </MIDICTRMIX6>
<MIDISTSMIX7> 176 </MIDISTSMIX7>
<MIDICTRMIX7> 127 </MIDICTRMIX7>
<MIDISTSMIX8> 176 </MIDISTSMIX8>
<MIDICTRMIX8> 127 </MIDICTRMIX8>
</MASTER>
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Re: Fresh 1.3.486 N3 Pro x64 doesn't initialize all kernels

Postby giancarlo » Fri May 06, 2011 9:30 am

I have no doubts about your specific troubles, but we can't solve them just hearing audio loops. We need graphs, something simple to check. For example here I don't have issues... the best thing is looking for a way for displaying the harmonic distortion in your system and print a picture. So we can check easily when it's solved. It could be a trouble in your specific system... Here I have all kernels working....
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Re: Fresh 1.3.486 N3 Pro x64 doesn't initialize all kernels

Postby fuseburn » Fri May 06, 2011 10:04 am

Yeah, and I already wrote that all kernels are working, in any scenario. I send a 1khz sinewave into nebula and the analyzer after it shows all the harmonics, in any scenario. Turning off the kernels one by one makes the harmonics disappear in the analyzer. Just as it's supposed to be.

So the problem is not kernels not working, but rather something more subtle. We're able to make things sound different/better by moving the max kernels fader down and up again and it would be interesting to know why that is. Maybe turning kernels off and on again makes them somehow async to each other, since the result sounds more washy (but beneficial in my case).
And then there's the difference between x86 and x64, but maybe that's a different story.
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Re: Fresh 1.3.486 N3 Pro x64 doesn't initialize all kernels

Postby Mercado_Negro » Sat May 07, 2011 6:59 am

It sounds like your example 3 here with both nebula versions (32 bit and 64 bit). It's also the same with the server.

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