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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby yr » Thu May 05, 2011 9:08 pm

Going for a second back to the R2R calibration issue. I just looked up the distortion measurements of some of my favorite Studer/Otari presets and it seems like none of them ever reaches even 1% THD with a 0dBFS test tone (more in the 0.3%-0.56% range). So re-editing the programs could be a good idea if you are mixing at moderate levels (as Michael explained). Using TB after R2R of course changes the picture (especially the higher settings).
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby sfunk » Thu May 05, 2011 10:44 pm

yr wrote:Going for a second back to the R2R calibration issue. I just looked up the distortion measurements of some of my favorite Studer/Otari presets and it seems like none of them ever reaches even 1% THD with a 0dBFS test tone (more in the 0.3%-0.56% range). So re-editing the programs could be a good idea if you are mixing at moderate levels (as Michael explained). Using TB after R2R of course changes the picture (especially the higher settings).


How does one re-edit a program? :?
Can someone give me an example how i could re-edit and r2r studer?
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby yr » Thu May 05, 2011 10:57 pm

I posted Michael's explanation here: http://www.acustica-audio.com/forum/ind ... pic#p12489

If you own the TB library you could also use it to augment the R2R library. One Studer/Otari preset + 1x TB96Med2 will give about 2%THD for a -6dBFS signal... of course you still need to make the proper adjutments based on what you hear.
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby sfunk » Thu May 05, 2011 11:17 pm

Excellent thank you very much
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby apollo soul » Fri May 06, 2011 4:13 am

I agree with the post about the style and presentation of nebula metering.

I'd gladly forgo the cumbersome process of 3rd party metering if I can get decent vu style meters, and peak hold type resetable readouts like on FreeG. Right now, I get a headache trying to read something that jumps around every time the decimal place has to move. It's completely unreadable, and I have no idea where the peak values were.

I'm no expert on metering, but the metering and options with slates fg-x seem to me like they're done well, and could be a good model. I've used that plug with everything but the metering disengaged before just because I was using a different limiter with inferior readouts.
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby Finnish » Mon May 09, 2011 9:26 pm

All in all, how hard should I hit R2R?
In peak?
In RMS?
In Vol?

I'd like to know a simple answer, I'm about to mix an EP and I need to get it done quite fast, so tips tips tips on this one...
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby giancarlo » Mon May 09, 2011 9:48 pm

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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby dpclarkson » Mon May 09, 2011 10:48 pm

With drums, bass, guitars, horns, vocals, any given
acoustic source, I try to hit r2r and tapebooster
as hard as I can. The maths is just splitting hairs,
no offence.
Any distortion or compression, which reduces
the dynamics of a signal makes mixing
so much easier.
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby sfunk » Mon May 09, 2011 10:58 pm

dpclarkson wrote:With drums, bass, guitars, horns, vocals, any given
acoustic source, I try to hit r2r and tapebooster
as hard as I can. The maths is just splitting hairs,
no offence.
Any distortion or compression, which reduces
the dynamics of a signal makes mixing
so much easier.


There is no compression from R2R though? Its just colour i though
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Re: Gain Staging AlexB and R2R

Postby dpclarkson » Tue May 10, 2011 8:20 am

There is no compression from R2R though?


Actually I was talking about flattening the dynamics in general,
at fattening up a signal.
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