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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:36 pm

jfjer379@gmail.com wrote:why so much moral on software but none on HW
i just don't get it

and it might not have happened if sonarworks had at least provided us with 2 licenses when we buy the software in the first place

but no we have to buy a new one if we want to use it on two computers

if its not against the law stop pointing fingers


You are way of and do not make sense whatsoever. If Sonarworks
does not offer you 2 licenses does not mean you can steal it.
As far as Acustica's product go it seems like you do not know
nothing about this. That is something completely different
from infringement. Do you see Acustica somewhere saying
,,hey guys, this is a perfect N**e eq'' e tc. You think a company
like Acustica will be involved in infringing??? Really???? LOL

The reason i am talking about this is its happening on
Acustica forums and they can bare consequences for it.
They are responsible of what's going on on the forums
and i do not wanna see that happening. Its not as simple
as it seems and as ,,oh, its nothing really''.
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby myimo » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:16 pm

Very good debate.
Now there is the point about the brand name which is why the Bricasti could be called by its trade name after the sampler was granted permission by the owner of the name, which is not the case here.

Currently we have Opto3, u76, chandly, Blu-Mu etc etc which are all sampled from currently available products that have been digitalized into Nebula format.

The product we are discussing, has like the above (opto3 etc) been digitalized. It doesn't contain any code and is not materially alike as one is sonrwerks the other is Nebula.

The only thing in common is a "sound" "tonal quality" but this is the same with just about every Nebula Library. The original Hardware is copyrighted (Brand name) and no doubt the actual piece of equipment is patented.
So why do you (and others who feel the same and might want to jump in here) see this sampling as different from all the other nebula libraries?
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:36 pm

myimo wrote:So why do you (and others who feel the same and might want to jump in here) see this sampling as different from all the other nebula libraries?


I do not feel, i know it for a fact, i seen it happen before
2 times. If someone clones this very good and shares it for free
means a sale loss for the creator, in english called stealing.
And instead of sharing its sold, then it is even worst.
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby spunkmuffin » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:49 pm

I like the debate here and have a funny thought to add...

If Sonarworks have sampled the EQ's of various headphones then you could argue that THEY have have stolen the EQ curves that belong to the various headphone manufacturers. :D
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby glesne » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:00 pm

spunkmuffin wrote:I like the debate here and have a funny thought to add...

If Sonarworks have sampled the EQ's of various headphones then you could argue that THEY have have stolen the EQ curves that belong to the various headphone manufacturers. :D


Hum not really... The software corrects these rollercoaster-ish curves :)
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:16 pm

basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:
jfjer379@gmail.com wrote:why so much moral on software but none on HW
i just don't get it

and it might not have happened if sonarworks had at least provided us with 2 licenses when we buy the software in the first place

but no we have to buy a new one if we want to use it on two computers

if its not against the law stop pointing fingers


You are way of and do not make sense whatsoever. If Sonarworks
does not offer you 2 licenses does not mean you can steal it.
As far as Acustica's product go it seems like you do not know
nothing about this. That is something completely different
from infringement. Do you see Acustica somewhere saying
,,hey guys, this is a perfect N**e eq'' e tc. You think a company
like Acustica will be involved in infringing??? Really???? LOL

The reason i am talking about this is its happening on
Acustica forums and they can bare consequences for it.
They are responsible of what's going on on the forums
and i do not wanna see that happening. Its not as simple
as it seems and as ,,oh, its nothing really''.




this is just stupid Basari
you are only telling me im not are making scene but you don't explain very good why sampling HW is so much more legal than sampling software
we all know nebula is ridiculous close to the HW it samples
especially some of the newer stuff, its scary close
please enlighten me whats the difference here :twisted:
you also just tell me i don't nothing about Acustica
Acustica has said: sometimes we are very close to the HW we are sampling and sometimes not so close
how do you know the SnR Werks is a spot on copy ? no one has claimed that
please enlighten me what you know so much better then me about Acustica than me



you just accused me for stealing Basari :evil:
how is it not stealing when you are using ams 88rs eq for a small fraction of the price or M.a.n.e.l.y MP or A.P.I and not to mention the consoles from copyrighted brands that still exist and still sell them ,you did pay a fraction of the price that did not end up in the Creators pockets
did you make a sampling copy for your self and own all the the HW in your nebula libs :lol:

so you are saying that ams n.e.v.e is not a company that nebula has nailed scary close and lose sales on they're preamp s and eq`s are you serious? and its ok to sample their stuff without they are getting money, if it wasent for nebula i would actually go and buy a 1073 pre that ams N**e owns the copyright to, is that not loosing a sale ?
but SnR Werks oh please dont sample them thats stealing
im sensing double standards here
who make A.P.I HW an sell it, it is not a company ?
is not S.S.L a copyrighted company as well
nebula has libs countless stuff from companies that is not getting paid if we are gonna go down that route


please explain whats the difference between sampling A.P.I witch also is a copyrighted product
from sonarworks maybe i understand what you mean


i simply dot see how sampling software is worse than sampling HW

Can you confirm that sampling software is illegal Basari
and show me a link that proves it
if its illegal i will agree with you
but not make a case out of this if it is no legal issues
then you really don't have a case have you hehe

this discussion ain't over until i see some proof
that sampling software is more illegal than sampling HW from existing brands with copyright


as i have already said im not against sampling and i don't see it as stealing as its clearly legal
as long as logos and name is not the same as the original in the final product

if someone suddenly get a moral about sampling software the same person should feel the exact way about sampling HW thats all


its a silly debate really because i love Nebula

but the reason im getting fired up is that im sensing very strong double standards here
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:38 pm

It is not double standards. If i take an N73 now and Sample it
but i do not say nothing about it. Can you prove what is it?
Hell No! Even if its 101-% exact same you have no legal basis
to go after me, you can not prove it...unless,,,i SAY it is an
N73. If you did not know that IS the reason Developers do not
mention hardware names on their products or in any public discussion.
The second one is, when they get endorsed by the hardware developer
then they can talk freely about it. If i take a Sound from Korg
Kronos that is based on ROM Samples, i can not sample it and
sell it to you or share it. But if i take a Sound of one of the
Analog Engines and tweak it, i have the right to sell it to you
or share it or sample it and resale it but...if you have Kronos
and you bought my Analog Engine Sound, you still have no right
to Sample that Sound and share it or sell it. I still hold the
rights to it. If the original poster said:

,,Hey guys, this is a Headphones Plugin Samples, it is very
good and close to the original...here it is, i wanna share it''
Then no one has any legal rights to go after him because it can
be NX, SonarWorks, ToneBoosters Audio and many more.
I hope you understand now and no, you can not sample software.
I don't have times to look for links and Laws but i have seen
it happen 2 times before where the developer went after the
infringer and wont the case. I am just being rational, not an ass.
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby botus99 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:42 pm

I feel like this is a valuable discussion to have, however let's please keep things civil. We're all friends here right? ;)

I'm not going to claim that I am 100% correct here, but my feeling is that the concept of sampling an EQ curve that is openly published by headphone manufacturers does not seem wrong in and of itself.

The grey area is that if the curves were manipulated in any way by the SW software (dynamic behavior, added/reduced harmonization, spatial fx, etc), or just outright designed instead of modeled by convolution, this may be in some "murky waters" since there was added work done by the plugin developer.

The difference between this and sampling a hardware unit is that the plugin already exists in digital format for a set price made by someone else, while the hardware that we typically sample is taking something in the analog world and making a digital representation that does not already exist. You could compare it, in a way, to capturing a home video of something you recorded verses ripping a DVD of something you rented. One is creating a new digital representation of something that doesn't currently exist digitally, the other is copying a digital format to another digital format. Not the best analogy I know, but it's what came to mind.

Very interesting discussion IMO. I don't currently know what to feel about it lol
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:51 pm

basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:It is not double standards. If i take an N73 now and Sample it
but i do not say nothing about it. Can you prove what is it?
Hell No! Even if its 101-% exact same you have no legal basis
to go after me, you can not prove it...unless,,,i SAY it is an
N73. If you did not know that IS the reason Developers do not
mention hardware names on their products or in any public discussion.
The second one is, when they get endorsed by the hardware developer
then they can talk freely about it. If i take a Sound from Korg
Kronos that is based on ROM Samples, i can not sample it and
sell it to you or share it. But if i take a Sound of one of the
Analog Engines and tweak it, i have the right to sell it to you
or share it or sample it and resale it but...if you have Kronos
and you bought my Analog Engine Sound, you still have no right
to Sample that Sound and share it or sell it. I still hold the
rights to it. If the original poster said:

,,Hey guys, this is a Headphones Plugin Samples, it is very
good and close to the original...here it is, i wanna share it''
Then no one has any legal rights to go after him because it can
be NX, SonarWorks, ToneBoosters Audio and many more.
I hope you understand now and no, you can not sample software.
I don't have times to look for links and Laws but i have seen
it happen 2 times before where the developer went after the
infringer and wont the case. I am just being rational, not an ass.


you are just dragging me in aren't you

you can talk for ours about how illegal this is
but don't have time to find a link to prove it

HO is explaining what HW he used in his manual


Have you been on Alex B site before Basari ?

don't Alex explain exactly what HW his stuff is based on under the pictures of his samplings ?
yes he do
and im 150%
sure Alex know the law , and im very happy we can see what HW is sampled on his site :)


i rest my case
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Re: Mix On Headphones

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:02 pm

me to think this is an interesting discussion

the reason its interesting is that when a coded software is sampled its not code anymore, its a sampling

i still don't think sampling software is worse than sampling HW until i see some hard proof on that its illegal to do so

and i don't want to argue over this anymore since no one actually have any proof that this is worse than sampling HW


i can agree on that its probably vice to change the name of the samplings on the download site
call the nebula samples for eksample SnR Werks or something else

but it seems like he still can make a picture and write sonarworks under it on the same site

im willing to discuss this but on more friendly terms hehe :D

im all for peace in this forum :D

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