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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby NoNameComesInMind » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:37 pm

just wanted to pop in and say that the Bx is great! just "that" verb you need for drums, bought it a few weeks ago and i like it alot!
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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby Livewire » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:57 am

This reverb is amazing - I had the chance to borrow a real one recently and this is sounding the closest I have heard yet.

Just a question on performance - what dsp buffer is everyone setting? I can't go below 2048 with the full programs otherwise my asio meter peaks out completely (although CPU doesn't). I'm on Cubase 7.5 with the latest Nebula server version. I don't seem to get this behaviour with other programs like the VNXTe240 which I can't run at lower buffers, but I am getting similar results with the Nolard full programs too (can't go under 2048).
Is this due to the sheer complexity of these programs?

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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby Cupwise » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:25 pm

i'd say it's very possibly/probably due to the complexity of them. having the sampled control in there makes the inner workings more complex in a way that definitely increases CPU use to a noticeable degree, which is where having the longer buffer comes in handy.


personally at the moment i don't feel too comfortable posting what my dsp setting is, because it's pretty high, but i don't remember how much testing it was based off of or if it was a sort of temporary thing i put in there for debugging. so i'm not going to offer it as a suggestion to anyone else.

i'd suggest that the best solution for you is going to require a bit of experimentation, just raising it until you're happy with the tradeoff of cpu vs latency, which is going to be a different setting for each person/system. i think, but i'm not sure, that you have to always double the number each time you want to increase it. i'd suggest either making your own copy of the dll/xml with the setting, to use just for reverbs (or maybe even just for my reverbs, if they're causing more strain), or you could use zabukowski's excellent nebula setups program to do it. i think that might only be possible on pc though, not sure if you can do it on mac.

by the way thanks for the compliment and i'm glad you like it!
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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby NoNameComesInMind » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:07 pm

i'm on a dual i5, and i usually work very small projects and keep things as small as possible, having either 2-3 instances of nebula and maybe an instance of acqua or two, having my cpu up 70% (the reading is not correct in your daw though), but i have each instance running 4096 and no pops or whatsoever, there's also a few selective modes where you can choose where the IIR (i think it is) starts to kick in and calculates the tails of the verb in pure FFT, which is very useful if they are beyond truly audible dynamic range, well as cupwise also put it, it's different with each program and system, but it can give you a couple of ideas to experiment with on your own.

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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby Livewire » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:21 pm

Thanks for the replies!

Yeah I thought it must have something to do with the sampled control. The cool thing is that the lite versions are very usuable in low latency situations so I can use them when live dubbing and mixing, then as suggested in the manual switch to the full versions when rendering.

I just got a new machine so my mission is to get my other two machines running as FX servers so I can run my sessions with lots of nebula reverbs at 1024 in nebula and 128 on my RME. So far I've managed to get it work and get 6 full VNXT and lite cupwise on the slaves running jbriged through fxteleport. Next thing to try is Vienna Ensemble and see if it performs better. Am looking into Neb server but finding it pretty criptic at this stage, hopefully I can get it to work at some point and properly compare it's performance. It was cool to load up 6 EMT plates into consecutive inserts over a piano and it still be playable, some crazy sounds just from doing that!

BTW Tim I just got your plate set and am really looking forward to using it, love your work.

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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby Cupwise » Thu May 25, 2017 11:35 am

just sent out links to a pretty big update for this library. so if you have it and didn't get the email, get in touch (email directly or through my website).

*fixed the library so it would be compatible with Nebula 4! for some reason N4 has a habit of changing prog rate settings in programs. with revebs it can make them just not work. fixed.

* fixed organization in N4. N4 uses a different method of ordering the programs in the list where you go to pick which one to use, compared to how N3 does it. it kind of threw my organization out of wack.

* added new stereo swapped version. it can actually sound a good bit different since the l/r channels are somewhat different in this library (leading to the wide spread).

* added a mono-R version which uses the reverb sampled from the right channel of the hardware for both of your stereo inputs going into the program. again, it sounds different from the other options, so it can be useful.

*lite programs now have slightly shorter kern lengths which means they use even less CPU now. only the longest decay settings are affected and you probably wouldn't notice it in any normal use anyway.

*manual was updated to add new info and also try to improve the wording a bit in places.
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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby plexus » Thu May 25, 2017 5:14 pm

Thanks Tim! This is one of the best sounding spring reverbs in software format. I will run the update through its paces. I am an N4 user and wondered why some of the packages were not working that great - glad you are updating them!
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Re: Bee X-20 Spring Reverb

Postby Cupwise » Fri May 26, 2017 8:32 am

well, the specific issue i was talking about with the program rate makes them just absolutely not work. Neb 4 sometimes lowers a reverb prog rate down to 10ms which isn't even possible to do with N3, and it taxes cpu so much it just won't work. this update should fix that.

but i've also compared cpu use readings from windows task manager, using the same reverb (with prog rate set up properly) with N3 and N4, and N4 seems to be taking almost twice as much resources. i'm not sure what's causing that but i suspect maybe it's something to do with the dspbuffer. the dspbuffer setting in Nebula 3 heavily influences cpu use. doubling it (up to a point) lowers cpu use. i've messed around with the setting in N4 but it seems to have no effect, so i don't know how n4 is handling things there (does it ignore your setting and adjust buffer size automatically?). but i have to wonder if it's using a smaller buffer than i have set in n3- 16384, which is a pretty high setting but i only use that for reverbs.

could be other things in n4 also causing the increase but i have no idea about that. anyway, *that* may be what you're noticing, and this update won't change that. and as of now i have no idea how to lower n4 cpu use with reverbs, but i also haven't experimented with it a whole lot... anyone else know anything about this?
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