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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Melon_Jack » Thu May 15, 2014 1:01 pm

In TP? O__o
And, sorry, i've uploaded files with effects on the buss.
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Support » Thu May 15, 2014 1:07 pm

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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Melon_Jack » Thu May 15, 2014 1:18 pm

Strange... I have pEQ-Pre Demo in my chain prior 660 Pass program and it's not clipping...
Anyway, what's is the problem? I clearly hear that program is heavily compressing signal. And it's with Nebula Reverb. Is it normal? Trim in program is helping if i drop the level to -25, but should it be like it is?
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Cupwise » Thu May 15, 2014 8:55 pm

its happening because as i was saying earlier in the thread, this program compresses. but you haven't adjusted your nebula setup .xml like i suggested in the manual.

the program needs to have a 3.5ms look ahead, and nebula only allows 1.5ms by default. so look in the manual and increase it like i suggest in there.

some people think that increasing the maximum allowed look ahead negatively affects their or other programs. i haven't seen it happen in my own tests but it's possible that something is going on, so to be safe you should probably make a new nebula .dll/.xml just to use with my compressors, and adjust the max look-ahead in that one, as i ask in the manual.


anyway when you do this the clicks should go away.
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Melon_Jack » Fri May 16, 2014 6:29 am

So i should use Nebula instance? Not Nebula Reverb?)
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby jorismak » Fri May 16, 2014 8:46 am

no, you should read the manual :P.
Change the reverb .xml file to increase the look-ahead time.
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Melon_Jack » Fri May 16, 2014 10:54 am

I'll try. But something tells me, that program anyway will overcompress audio..
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Support » Fri May 16, 2014 10:58 am

Melon_Jack wrote:I'll try. But something tells me, that program anyway will overcompress audio..


Use input level for setup threshold.
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Cupwise » Sat May 17, 2014 1:26 am

Melon_Jack wrote:I'll try. But something tells me, that program anyway will overcompress audio..

it will! i already explained why in this very thread:

but another reason is just because that's how saturation works. with the level of saturation/distortion i was getting with some of the samples, you just aren't going to get that kind of distortion without some compression. if you overdrive anything enough to get that kind of saturation, it's going to also compress the signal. so really if you like the distortion by having higher levels going in, it's pretty much married to that compression effect. you can use trim to get lower input levels which should give you less/no compression, but then you will also have less saturation. that's just how it works.


it compresses because i slammed the input level with a 1176 driving the 660. the 660 saturated, and possibly even the 1176. so the actual samples i took were compressed, just like anything would be going through that hardware chain.

so, having saturation/distortion/AND compression is exactly what this thing does,

because that's exactly what it was supposed to do!


adjusting the look ahead like i said in the manual is only to remove the clicks and give you something more like the instant saturation/compression you'd get by using the unit the way i sampled it.

if you don't like the compression, use one of the other pass-through programs, or reduce the trim control until it stops compressing. but you won't have the same distortion anymore. so if you like the distortion it gives, you're just going to have to accept that you can only get that WITH compression happening also. if you overdrive hardware to a point where it saturates, there is also compression.

it would be possible to make a program that gives you the harmonics from the saturation without the compression. but it wouldn't be anything like how this or any hardware actually works.
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Re: Question about Cupwise Creamy 660 Pass-through program

Postby Melon_Jack » Sat May 17, 2014 6:54 am

Yeah, Cupwise, but it's not compressing) It's OVERCOMPRESSING) I love compression, but not overcompressoon. That is) Listen to my example. Seems like there's more than 20 dB of GR.
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