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88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby Andrums » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:02 pm

Circumstances forced me to mix at 88.2kHz.

Please tell me 88kHz libraries.
I know only Tim Petherick libs.

I dont like sound of 96kHz libs in 88kHz project
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby darkskar » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:08 pm

Whats wrong with using 96khz with 88khz??
I do not notice anything wrong.
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby Andrums » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:11 pm

1) I notice a bit of sound degradation
2) Programs loading is much slower
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby darkskar » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:07 am

Andrums wrote:1) I notice a bit of sound degradation
2) Programs loading is much slower


Maybe you could try recordering at 96khz.
There's not much difference in space/resources from 88.2khz.
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby Andrums » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:43 am

I always record at 96 kHz but ...
Circumstances forced me to mix at 88.2kHz.
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby jorismak » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:11 pm

Do you have the 'RATECNV' value cranked up as high as it can go in the MAST page? All 3rd party library I know of recommends to increase it to allow proper rate-conversion.

And yes, loading will be slower since the vectors have to be resampled, but there shouldn't be any sound degradation.
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby yr » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:46 pm

You could also consider up-sampling your project to 96kHz and working with the libraries you have. Seems like a petty to build a new preset collection just for one project, and your 88.2kHz Nebula options are quite limited. I've done a lot of 44.1k/48khz to 96k up-sampling (in order to use my 96k presets) and I prefer that over Nebula's own src (multiplied per presets used).
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby Andrums » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:35 pm

jorismak wrote:And yes, loading will be slower since the vectors have to be resampled, but there shouldn't be any sound degradation.


All digital audio history confirms that any SRC leads to sound degradation.
I always work at 96kHz and dont use any Plugs with upsampling
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby jorismak » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:23 am

the vectors in the library get resampled, not your audio.

If you work at 88.2 then your audio stays at 88.2.
Only the 'precision' of the library you apply gets altered.
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Re: 88.2 kHz libraries?

Postby Tim Petherick » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:47 am

I think it's best if you can stick to the same sample rate in Nebula if you can. I must say that I much prefer the sound of this rather than SRC down in Nebula.

Like Yr says, If you can't find the correct sample rate presets for your project and you are going to use many that are converted down it may actually be better to not do that and SRC your project first.

For best results your best to keep your project clean all the way through , strange artifacts build in no time.

The main reason I create 88.2 and 48khz is for my own projects, after many tests I started using these sample rates.. In the process I came up with my own sampling techniques to improve transparency. This was not a over night set of techniques I came up with but came over months of experimentation and it benefits you guys having those extra native sample rates.
for me the sweet spot is at those sample rates, 44.1 and 96khz I create because it's a standard here and also It will get me out of trouble If I'm forced to work in any sample rate .

My first release was not using all the techniques I use now and was pretty much a standard way of sampling but originally kept that release to 88.2 because that was the rate sounded best for me at that time....


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