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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby elam » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:32 pm

Lord Nielson wrote:compressor would hit really hard on the first transient after the gap

Awwwww maaaaan,bad news.I know what you're talking about, I heard it before and still hear it from time to time...
I hope Giancarlo will have some time to work this out.
That's really a great piece of gear.

Oh and thanks for the Sebatron EQ too my man ;)
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby elam » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:50 pm

AlexB wrote:I'm really sorry but, as announced last year


That's true.

elam wrote:You are not obligated to buy my release which will have both : vintage balck and vintage blue-stip 8-)


Come on you know what I'm talking about.It's not about buying this and that.

It just take a couple of email to organize and synchronize the commercial releases.You keep whatever you wanna keep for your personal use.You can be a team player and make your money,that's not incompatible.

I don't think Nebula needs COMPETITION, there's plenty of room for that outside of it, but EMULATION ( ;) ) that's for sure ...

I just remember a old post from AITB sayin that they won't release console to don't fvcked up your business.That's all...

And it's not YOU Alessandro,I'm talking about ALL THE DEVS. Talk to each other !

Again there's enough room for everybody to make money.
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby vicnestE » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:54 pm

Nebula compressor is not complete yet.
So take the different sampling and programing from various devs as a progress to perfection.
There's no harm to have more than one 1176.
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby elam » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:05 pm

vicnestE wrote:There's no harm to have more than one 1176.


Of course your right,read what I wrote.

That's not what I meant.

I was talking about better communication btw.devs before releases.That's it.Some Devs. seems to be agree with what I just said ...
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby louis » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:42 pm

lordnielson wrote:If I played a track with gaps the compressor would hit really hard on the first transient after the gap.

yeah this is really annoying...
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby rhythminmind » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:33 am

I've experienced this myself at one point or the other, but quickly re-checking with the current ver of Neb Pro + current programs everything seems to perform as it should. These Atk/Rel characteristics shown are exactly as they should be.
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby rhythminmind » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:46 am

elam wrote:Here we go.Nice.
I just have a request for ALL 3rd party devs.

Please for the sake of Nebula health and genuine progression no more Snap Comp/CLD 73EQ/Fate etc ...

This one WILL be popular that's for sure.But we don't need 7 blue stripe programs ;) (+ there's enough "colors" of the same model for everybody :lol: )

Please communicate (behind the seen )and we'll all elevate.

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Mirco - it's time to drop the Nuke
Lord Nielson - grab the NAT platinum and bring us the MC77 (this program is insane...really)


I've noticed some Dev's are more willing to communicate then others.

I don't see a problem currently, The 1176 models are all different. I'm sampling a custom recreation unit I put together based on the original 1st batch of inaccessible Rev A's. All the rev's have a different color but have a common 1176 character. The MC77&76 is a really nice take on the design as well. They filled a gap for years when UA/UREI wouldn't supply. Purple made some cool mods. I have a C2s that is a great hybrid of an 1176 gain reduction circuit + a N**e makeup stage, It's a lovely device thats on the "to sample" list.
How you choose to sample with NAT & what hardware settings you use will create vast differences from program to program.
Here is a little 1176 history article http://www.mixonline.com/mag/audio_revision_history/

Currently, Mohog audio, Purple, & Mnat are making much better/authentic 1176 designs then the current re-issues. IMHO.
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby Mercado_Negro » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:43 am

rhythminmind wrote:I've experienced this myself at one point or the other, but quickly re-checking with the current ver of Neb Pro + current programs everything seems to perform as it should. These Atk/Rel characteristics shown are exactly as they should be.
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Hey Eric, but that VM-Comp first transient doesn't look right (and that's exactly what I've been talking about: hitting hard when compression starts and you're doing a lot of GR).
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby rhythminmind » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:50 am

It's correct. If a compressors release duration is longer then the duration of hits the hits will still be under compression. Then if there is a section of low dynamics the compressor will have time to fully release. The next transient will be at full volume for the length of your set attack time. All compressors work this way. (other then Digital look ahead compressors.)
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Re: Erics gearing up for a nebula 1176

Postby rhythminmind » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:06 am

Helpfull "real world" info By : Hairball

What’s All This Revision Stuff?



This article is a simplified overview of the differences between the FET compressor.
Throughout the 60s and 70s many changes(Revisions) were made to the original FET compressor. Some of these changes involved are design of an input or output stage, while others were trivial and did not affect the sound or function of the unit.

What is important to note is that all of there visions compress program material in the same manner, using a field effect transistor(FET)as a voltage controlled variable resistor. The differences between the revisions can be found in the input/signal amp stage and the output/lineamp stage. The compression circuit, including gain reduction control amp, was left mostly unchanged. Although in some cases the metering circuit was changed (from discrete toI C), this is not something
that would affect the sound of your compressor.

Basic Revision Guide

Revision A: Often referred to as a“BlueStripe”. These units were the first commercial revision and have a silver panel with a distinctive blue stripe over the VUmeter. The signal and line amp are based on the 1108 micpre and use a FET as the first active component in each amp stage(all other revisions use a bipolar transistor). The gain reduction FET in this model has a unique circuitry around it different form all other models (notably the lack of source resistor). This results in a little more distortion that helps define the “BlueStripe” sound. This revision also has a slightly lower threshold in comparison to later revisions(about 5db)and more gain in the amplification stages(about 5db).

The input uses an O12 transformer and the signal is attenuated at the input with a 600Ω tpad. The output is classA, utilizing a 5002 output transformer. This revision is rare and highly sought after by many engineers and producers.

REV B thru E units. The Purple Audio MC77 and current reissue arebased on this revision. Revisions C-E had a blackface front panel while the Rev B retained the silver and blue stripe panel. Changes were made to the stage and line amps so a bipolar transistor was used as the first active component. Low noise, or “LN” circuitry, was added to this and all future revisions.

Like the Revision A, the input uses an O12 transformer and the signal is attenuated at the input with a 600Ω tpad. The output is class A, utilizing a 5002 output transformer.

Revision F: This unit was offered in a black panel and a silver front panel similar to the revision A, but without a blue stripe. The major change to the revision F was the redesign of the output stage from class A to a 1109 style class AB “push/pull” output, utilizing a B11148 output transformer to provide more drive. Like the Rev A and D the input uses an O12 transformer and the signal is attenuated at the input with a 600Ω tpad.

Revision G: This revision had a silver panel with a blue badge like logo. It removed the Tpad and O12 transformer input in favor of an IC differential amplifier and potentiometer. The output continued to be class A/B utilizing the B11148output transformer.

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