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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby ce1909 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:13 pm

Is there a correct order (or not necessary) when using Nebula instances? Here's a typical chain I use in Sonar X1's fx bin using GMC to master a 2 track source mix.
GMC In->
Nugen mono filter->
GMC eq's->
GMC EQ LPF/ HPF->
GMC out->
Waves LinMB->
Tape vst->
Limiter
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby richie43 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:19 pm

If you are going for the hardware emulation, then yes, the order matters. Each instance affects the next instance. And what you have looks "right" to me. Curious though, what is a mono filter?
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby ce1909 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:52 pm

I always keep the instances out at around -18db.

The mono filter centers the low freq's or wherever you set the crossover point, sides can adjusted too.
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby yr » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:55 pm

Sometimes I get better results by cutting offending frequencies prior to console or tape presets. Doing it the other way around, can lead to those problematic areas being enhanced or exaggerated.
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby ce1909 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:02 pm

yr wrote:Sometimes I get better results by cutting offending frequencies prior to console or tape simulations. Doing it the other way around, can sometimes lead to those problematic areas being enhanced or exaggerated.

I can see your point. I sometimes use the monofilter on just my drums/ bass stem before bouncing.

Another question, is it any better to adjust the in rather than the out to get the Nebula instance to read -18db?
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby RJHollins » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:18 pm

ce1909 wrote:
yr wrote:Another question, is it any better to adjust the in rather than the out to get the Nebula instance to read -18db?


Hi ce,

You didn't mention at what stage of your chain ...

But ... if your 1st stage is seeing -18dB [RMS] ...

I'd look at each plugin as a 'unity in/ unity out' device.

You output level should reference to the input. Not ONLY
based on the dedicated INPUT, OUTPUT controls, but
should also adapt to what the level 'inside'.

For example, if using a compressor set for 2dB of gain reduction,
then the MAKEUP gain is to add 2dB back.

Same concept with EQ's ... if you add or cut, you are
affecting the output of the plug. EQ's don't [usually]
come with makeup gain, but you have OUTPUT to bring
the unit back to UNITY GAIN. What goes IN = what goes OUT.
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby ce1909 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:48 pm

Yes, that's how I basically treat my gaining but I don't always adjust the out of every instance, like eq's..
I will make it up at some point though.

I mix around -20db so is I'm wondering if it's fine to keep individual instance levels a bit below -18db or do they need to be at a least -18db to function properly?

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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby RJHollins » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:10 pm

ce1909 wrote:Yes, that's how I basically treat my gaining but I don't always adjust the out of every instance, like eq's..
I will make it up at some point though.

I mix around -20db so is I'm wondering if it's fine to keep individual instance levels a bit below -18db or do they need to be at a least -18db to function properly?

thanks


With hardware, we did, generally, replace output for
the makeup gain, on a per unit basis in the chain. The
reason being ... minimizing noise floor. Whether that
is of concern with NEBULA ?!? Old habits that I still
follow.

The other issue is, by balancing per plug, it is unity
gain in and of itself ... so if you copy it over to another
track, the 'balance' is already in place, with minimal
surprises.

As for operating level. I assume we are working, at
minimum, 24 bit depth. With that, a -20dB [RMS] would
still be fine. The bigger issue would be mindful of
PEAK levels [fs]. THIS is headroom critical ! You would
like to have at least 6dB of open headroom for each
work track. Same for final mix. Mastering will max
out the final peak level.

Hope that helped.
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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby ce1909 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:07 pm

Thanks, yes that's helpful.
My source mixes (24b) end up around -23-24 rms & when tracking Nebula instances peak around -15, -18.

I find setting levels easy & fast by adjusting the in or out until it's reads & peaks close to center click/ half way up(-18)

Is this the correct/ optimum way to use Nebula?

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Re: GMC from Alexb

Postby Barendse » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:09 pm

ce1909 wrote:Is this the correct/ optimum way to use Nebula?

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