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Re: Transient loss

Postby Cupwise » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:12 pm

Raynorshyn wrote:Ok... I'm still a hair confused here:

Timp says "point the arrows so they are going towards freqd player lengths.

Then increase the timed kernals in order to complete the sample lengths"

Then Cupwise says "if you want to use timed only, the arrow should be on timed"

In Classic mode, or hybrid, which way should the arrow point to use the timed engine on the kernel?


sorry Rayn, fredrikberg is right. i've never really paid attention to the arrow, i always go by the (1), which is what i was thinking of. the (1) will be by whichever one you are using, and the arrow should be as fredrikberg says.

i think this topic is interesting because i haven't seen it talked about much in the forums. i guess because timed is so cpu heavy. i've compared the different versions but not enough to really come to any conclusions. my cpu isn't quite up to snuff so i can't really listen to long timed kernels and do a quick A/B with freqd, to decide if i think timed sounds that much better.
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Re: Transient loss

Postby misterambient » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:20 am

Wow I just tested classic mode with 10 ms on clean, even and odd harmonics, arrows pointed at freqd (click on them) and its an incredible difference!! Doing this just with one preamp, in 44.1 Hz is like you're on stage with the singer... incredible. Prf went from 10% to 40% though (on my i5 760). And it introduces half a second latency. :P 8-)
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Re: Transient loss

Postby misterambient » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:36 am

Sonic bliss!! Moving over with this to my overclocked i7 970 now because it is frying my computer after tweaking 5 instances, just like timp, Cupwise and enrique said it would. :twisted:
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Re: Transient loss

Postby jrasia » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:43 am

Hmm, I noticed a serious lack of bass content when I perform this 'tweak'.

Am I doing something wrong, or is it perhaps with less bass content, you are noticing more transient information now?
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Re: Transient loss

Postby Cupwise » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:20 am

yeah that's one thing to be aware of here, lower kern lengths mean the bass cycles in the impulses are going to be cut short, meaning bass is cut.

you can notice that small changes to kern length below 10ms cause drastic differences in the sound. vst analyser would come in handy to see if the difference you hear is due something like bass being cut, as jrasia mentioned.
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Re: Transient loss

Postby dpclarkson » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:40 am

How much bass is being cut?
Should be considered that the 'TIMED' tweak could work
better on some sources than others, but not on every source?
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Re: Transient loss

Postby fredrikberg » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:48 am

I guess using split mode and timed at 10ms there
wouldn´t be no bass loss because Freqd player will handle rest of the kernel lenght.

Does anyone know how smaller Prog rate and Offset values affect sound quality of programs.

Decreasing them increases CPU.
Also Increasing them makes sound more dull.

I also found that some of the sounds that lost bass were in fact smeared and with correct settings the coloration were there and the transients were maintained.
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Re: Transient loss

Postby dpclarkson » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:51 am

Anyone performed this tweak with compressor programs, e.g. 76D?
I would like to know if there are differences in dynamic behaviour also.
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Re: Transient loss

Postby fredrikberg » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:25 pm

dpclarkson wrote:Anyone performed this tweak with compressor programs, e.g. 76D?
I would like to know if there are differences in dynamic behaviour also.



I would say so after some testing. More grab and snap.
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Re: Transient loss

Postby Tim Petherick » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:57 pm

dpclarkson wrote:Anyone performed this tweak with compressor programs, e.g. 76D?
I would like to know if there are differences in dynamic behaviour also.


Everything should sound better with this!

I wanted to start a new thread with all these things in them, so we could have a more in depth talk about each of the functions.

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