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Q: "mud" approach?

Postby beingmf3 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:10 pm

I've recently tried a new (to me) approach towards treating "mud" frequencies. I'd be interested if someone does a similar thing?
So basically I try to "equalize" - in the true meaning of the word - the source with an algo eq, mostly cutting with a parametric around 200Hz or lower, sometimes also the 1k area. In order to bring the fullness back I'd use a Nebula EQ, Calrec, N**e, Gyrator etc.

It sounds really really good to me, anyone want to comment?
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby Avgatzeblouz » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:56 pm

I do the same thing, but I cut with a dynamic Eq from McDSP. After that, boost a tad with 31102 Eq from TimP. Not muddy anymore, but nice body !
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby beingmf3 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:03 pm

Avgatzeblouz wrote:I do the same thing, but I cut with a dynamic Eq from McDSP. After that, boost a tad with 31102 Eq from TimP. Not muddy anymore, but nice body !

Alright, thanks. So I'm not alone :) btw TDR Nova is my go-to dynamic EQ in case I need one (there are some candidates ...) :lol:
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby botus99 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:16 pm

This approach makes a lot of sense to me. I like to use algo eq's (usually ReaEQ) early in the chain to "sanitize" tracks (clean up muddyness, notch out annoying/ringing resonances, etc), and THEN add Nebula programs after. I feel like this approach gives you a nice clean start and only makes the Nebula side of things work even better!

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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby dpclarkson » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:31 pm

For what it's worth; I like to set up an easy traditional chain, for instance:
N**e/A*I line/mic input-compressor-studer/ampex-ssl line input.
This generates a curve/vibe, and it also acts like an equalizer.
To clean up muddy frequencies totally depends on the source and style.
For instance, when dealing with muddy vocals, I like to use N**e 1073/81/84.
Every eq has it's own vibe. If you like that vibe, then start eq'ing.
There are tons of ways to clean up muddy sources, this is
just one out of many. But the chain starting from the source is important.
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby darren » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:38 am

How does this approach differ from your previous?

Using EQ to reduce mud seems quite conventional, am I missing a detail?
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby beingmf3 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:12 pm

darren wrote:How does this approach differ from your previous?

Using EQ to reduce mud seems quite conventional, am I missing a detail?

The point is to cut with algos and boost the same frequency give or take with a "coloured" Nebula EQ.

Before I took it for granted that "cutting mud" equaled "thinner sound" - which isn't necessarily the case.
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby Brian » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:08 am

Try it with Nova since you have that already. It's a great combination. Especially useful is dynamically taming resonances or mud with 1 or 2 bells, then boosting lows with a Nebula eq using a broad q bell or shelf. The shape and harmonics restore a lot of weight and fullness.

Indeed cutting mud shouldn't always equal thinner sound...it should result in a cleaner, tighter, or more open sounding frequency range (whether it's the low end or the mids).
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby Sheikyearbouti » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:29 am

What you describe is something I do a lot. Except that I still find HW or Nebula/Acqua EQs being better also for the cutting part. But often I need higher Q factor and fully variable frequency control for the cuts. I have this problem when working on an S*L G+ console. The Q goes only to 3 and it is very difficult to remove stuff. But even there with some gentle boost in the lows (shelf) and very gentle hi-Q peak cut in the mud region you could get good results. But it is just that some EQs are better for this duty. Some favs are the N**e VR (Q up to 9) and 88R EQs. I love how you can scoop out so much and still retain the integrity of the track. Other EQs like a Pultec or a 1073 are better for boosting the low end, not cutting, imho.
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Re: Q: "mud" approach?

Postby Sheikyearbouti » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:31 am

So yeah, that is to say I like having a couple of EQs in series for different jobs.
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