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Re: N4

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:50 am

Whats up with the TRIM thing? Lol. I never needed or use one
even on over 100 tracks projects...lol.
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Re: N4

Postby RJHollins » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:13 am

giancarlo wrote:Midi support is an implementation like other ones
It is not about version 3 or 4.

Just to be clear:
- 3 is single instance
- 4 is multi instance

Everything else is pure speculation. Since 4 is based on a different framework and appearance (in order to translate to multi instance management), several things will be simple to do. External meters, preset browser, routing, multi instance management: they will be added later (something maybe from the very first release). We are still planning features so we don't have a timeframe for every new feature now.

Very first release will load nebula libraries (but skinned) and acquas. So we are merging both worlds, and things are more integrated and elegant (no more skin with strange sizes and shapes, uniform design)

Just want to keep mindful of MIDI implementation as N4 evolves. A basic feature used throughout automation and control surfaces.

As you know, the current N3 MIDI is functional, yet greatly hindered due to default OMNI mode. We cannot communicate to a specific NEBULA instance since they ALL react to OMNI mode.

This issue will multiply with N4.

I understand the 'evolution'. Staying mindful would help ward off a band-aid solution that may only partially address requirements.

I know you may tire of my MIDI request over the years. May the 'planned', fully implemented MIDI protocol place N4 on par with all the algorithmic competitors, and finally silence the nagging masses. :P
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Re: N4

Postby giancarlo » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:53 am

- midi is at nebula 3 level
- Trim is at library level, so nebula 3 and skins
- Routing is at nebula 4 level
- Preset browsing is at nebula 4 level

Nebula 4 is about introducing the new framework and the multi-instance support. Everything else is a normal update plan, on both n3 and n4 sides.
This topic is about differences introduced by the new version of the engine, yo explain things. Midi, trim, even preset browsing,. They are things about updates, not about what you could expect buying nebula 4 or 3. Several features will be added easily in nebula 4 since it is based on a new framework. We'll post about them as soon as we plan something for the first release. We'll post also about what is coming next.
At the moment nebula 4 solves a problem, it merges acqua, libraries, skinning in a single vision and product.
I can only speak about the first version as it is now
We are evaluating if it is possible to introduce a preset browsing since the very first new release.

About midi: we received less requests for it compared with other ones. We are basically moving basing our plans on the number of requests.
For example 1 request for midi support versus 1000 requests for better limiters
The "nebula 4" thingy is about an other request received during all these years, about the complexity of using external tools for getting a decent workflow. We received thousands of requests when acqua were not available, and hundreds of request later about acqua flexibility or basic questions like "should i use acqua our nebula?"
Nebula 4 answers this question: "they are the same thing"
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Re: N4

Postby RJHollins » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:03 pm

About midi: we received less requests for it compared with other ones.

That's because we've been holding back.

Prepare for the MIDI attack. :twisted:
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Re: N4

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:54 pm

giancarlo wrote:- midi is at nebula 3 level
Everything else is a normal update plan, on both n3 and n4 sides.




so will it be a update plan from nebula 3 server to nebula 4 ?
or a discount for nebula server owners when we buy N4 ?


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Re: N4

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:04 pm

giancarlo wrote:For example 1 request for midi support versus 1000 requests for better limiters


Yes but you have to understand, that is a necessity and not just
someones wish. It is something that exist on every single plugin
on the planet, from the simplest Meter to the most complex Synth or Effect.
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Re: N4

Postby giancarlo » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:11 pm

basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:
giancarlo wrote:For example 1 request for midi support versus 1000 requests for better limiters


Yes but you have to understand, that is a necessity and not just
someones wish. It is something that exist on every single plugin
on the planet, from the simplest Meter to the most complex Synth or Effect.


Sure, but we are following requests by number of them.
There is no secret... For me a development is like an other one...
We have midi, though. Surprisingly, few people asked for a better implementation of it.
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Re: N4

Postby giancarlo » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:12 pm

RJHollins wrote:
About midi: we received less requests for it compared with other ones.

That's because we've been holding back.

Prepare for the MIDI attack. :twisted:
:lol:


Ahahah that's fine.
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Re: N4

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:43 pm

giancarlo wrote:
basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:
giancarlo wrote:For example 1 request for midi support versus 1000 requests for better limiters


Yes but you have to understand, that is a necessity and not just
someones wish. It is something that exist on every single plugin
on the planet, from the simplest Meter to the most complex Synth or Effect.


Sure, but we are following requests by number of them.
There is no secret... For me a development is like an other one...
We have midi, though. Surprisingly, few people asked for a better implementation of it.


I understand your point but this is not something for request,
it is like requesting wheels on a car, nobody requests that,
that comes with the car, its a standard. There is some of us
here who do complex MIDI setups and routing.

...i have not started yet...let me give you some hard time...lol
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Re: N4

Postby giancarlo » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:27 pm

basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:
giancarlo wrote:
basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:
Yes but you have to understand, that is a necessity and not just
someones wish. It is something that exist on every single plugin
on the planet, from the simplest Meter to the most complex Synth or Effect.


Sure, but we are following requests by number of them.
There is no secret... For me a development is like an other one...
We have midi, though. Surprisingly, few people asked for a better implementation of it.


I understand your point but this is not something for request,
it is like requesting wheels on a car, nobody requests that,
that comes with the car, its a standard. There is some of us
here who do complex MIDI setups and routing.

...i have not started yet...let me give you some hard time...lol


The point is: we have already midi. Our one is also properly synchronized (not very common around)
So we have wheels: be sure, nobody would buy a car without wheels.
About what to develop or improve: we follow requests. I never say no about implementing something. The priority is a function of difficulty and number of requests (and new possible customers interested in the single request). Incredibly midi enhancement has been requested by few people. Rj hollins asked it loud, but he also tried to build midi controls, which is not a common task among our users.
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