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Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:56 am

I do not wanna make this a long explanation but the below will
explain it self...i just do not know wtf to do, threw my money
aways, some NFRs and now i am stuck with all the plugins in the
world and i literary can not make music. I need advices of what
to do, do i spend a month going thru them and choosing, do i
uninstall the ones i know i don't want (i want all of them) or
wtf i should do i have no clue:

Compressors:

IK Buss Compressor
IK Precission Limiter
IK Black76
IK White2A
IK OptoCompressor
IK Vintage Tube 670
IK Stealth Limiter
SS FG-Grey SS(VBC)
SS FG-Red SS(VBC)
SS FG-Mu SS(VBC
SS FG-116 SS(VMR)
SS FG-401 SS(VMR)
112DB Big Blue Compressor
AOM Invisible Limiter
Eareckon Analog 87 SD-Comp
PSP AW MixPressor
PSP AW BussPressor
Pensadia SOR8
Waves H-Compressor
Waves dBx160
Waves LA3A
Waves LMB
Steinberg Tube Compressor
Steinberg Vintage Compressor
NI SupergCharger GT
Kuassa Kratos Maximizer
Tone Boosters Compressor
Tone Boosters Buss Compressor
Eventide UltraChannel
TDR Kotelnikov GE
TDR ThrillSeeker LA/VBL/XTC
Voxengo Elephant
Voxengo Crunchessor
sKnote C165a
sKnote Disto
sKnote GTS 39
sKnote SDC
sKnote STA


Nebula:
AlexB Compressors
(RND 5043, AMS 88RS, 76D, 4KD, MFD, N54)
CDS Compressors
(1176, LA-2A)
STN Compressors
(dLM SixtyFive, STN SStone Glue, STN 165a)
Tim Petherick Compressors
(Blue-Mu, Complex Comp, Focus, Opto 3A, U76 V2)

Aqua:
Acustica Titanium
CDSound Master WTBC

EQs:

IK EQ 73
IK EQ 81
IK EQ P50A
IK EQ P50B
IK EQ 432
IK EQ Classic
SS FG-S Brit 4k SS(VMR)
SS FG-N Brit N SS(VMR)
112db Redline EQ
Eareckon Analog 87 PR-EQ
AOM tranQuilizr
Barrat Audio Equavescent
PSP ClassicQ
PSP ConsoleQ
PSP RetroQ
PSP Precursor
PSP NobleEQ
Kuassa Eve-AT1
Kuassa Eve-AT4
Sonimus ProEQ
Sonimus Sweetone
TDR VOS Slick EQ GE
TDR Nova GE
Sound Magic NeoEQ
ToneBoosters EQ
Waves A*I 550 A/B
Eventide UltraChannel

Nebula:
AlexB EQs
(73EQ, CLEQ, MFQ, N73 PRO)
STN - RCA AIRON Line EQ
Aqua:
Magenta 3, Ochre, RED

Saturators/Consoles:

IK Amplitude 4
Kuassa Vermilion
Kuassa Creme
Kuassa One
Sonimus Satson
Sonimus Britson
PSP AW MixSaturator
PSP AW MixBass
PSP AW MixTreble
112db Redline Preamp
Sound Magic Neo Harmonic
TDR Ferric TDS
NI SuperCharger GT
SS VCC 2.0 SS(VMR)
SS Revival SS(VMR)
Voxengo VariSaturator
Voxengo Warmifier
bx-Saturator
sKnote RoundTone

Nebula:
AlexB Consoles and Tapes Saturators
(CLC, MFC, VBC, SC81, N14 PRO, TSX)
CDS - N-TEN-AT4
STN
(Raturation, MiniMooPre, ArPre, OberPre, STUD 1810)

Nebula:
AlexB Consoles and Tapes Saturators
(CLC, MFC, VBC, SC81, N14 PRO, TSX)
CDS - N-TEN-AT4
STN
(Raturation, MiniMooPre, ArPre, OberPre, STUD 1810)

Bundles:

Melda Audio MTotal
Plug and Mix Total
Tone Boosters Total
Eareckon ANALOG 87 Series
Acustica Audio Nebula 3 Pro
AirMusic Instrument Expansion Pack
Rob Papen Explorer 3
12db Redline Bundle

Channel Strips:
Eventide UltraChannel
Eareckon ANALOG 87 CS-Strip
Steven Slate VMR
sKnote Strip V3

Plus the Reverbs, Delays and other tonz of stuff that i have.

And now you tell me WHAT THE F to do with all this!
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:58 am

I actually do know some of them very well, how they work and
what i can do, but it is just too much, i went way overboard.
The same thing is with SoftSynths and Sample Libraries.
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby davidgary73 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:13 am

That;s a huge list :shock:

As was mentioned in the Flucti thread, we recommended that you scale down you plug usage to only what you really need.

Here are my humble recommendations by taking some plugs out:

Compressors:

IK Black76, IK White2A (replace with CDS compressors -1176 & LA-2A, Tim U76 V2)
IK Vintage Tube 670
SS FG-Grey SS(VBC)
SS FG-Red SS(VBC)
SS FG-Mu SS(VBC
SS FG-116 SS(VMR)
SS FG-401 SS(VMR)
Pensadia SOR8
Waves LA3A (replace with Opto 3A)
TDR Kotelnikov GE
sKnote C165a (replace with STN 165a)
sKnote Disto
sKnote SDC

*Compare all of the above Compressors against Nebula comps. Keep the ones that sounds good and put the rest into the "NOT USED" folder as suggested by RJHollins.

Nebula:
AlexB Compressors (RND 5043, AMS 88RS, 76D, 4KD, MFD, N54)
CDS Compressors (1176, LA-2A)
STN Compressors (dLM SixtyFive, STN SStone Glue, STN 165a)
Tim Petherick Compressors (Blue-Mu, Complex Comp, Focus, Opto 3A, U76 V2)

Aqua: Acustica Titanium, CDSound Master WTBC

Limiter: AOM Invisible Limiter

EQs:

IK EQ 73
IK EQ 81
IK EQ P50A, IK EQ P50B (replace with Waves A*I 550 A/B )
SS FG-S Brit 4k SS(VMR)
SS FG-N Brit N SS(VMR)
PSP NobleEQ
Sonimus ProEQ
Sonimus Sweetone
TDR VOS Slick EQ GE
TDR Nova GE
Waves A*I 550 A/B

*Again compare all of the above EQ's against Nebula EQ's. Keep the ones that sounds good and put the rest into the "NOT USED" folder.

Nebula:
AlexB EQs
(73EQ, CLEQ, MFQ, N73 PRO)
STN - RCA AIRON Line EQ
Aqua: Magenta 3, Ochre, RED

Saturators/Consoles:

IK Amplitude 4
Kuassa Vermilion
Kuassa Creme
Kuassa One
Sonimus Satson
Sonimus Britson
TDR Ferric TDS
NI SuperCharger GT
SS Revival SS(VMR)
sKnote RoundTone

Nebula:
AlexB Consoles and Tapes Saturators
(CLC, MFC, VBC, SC81, N14 PRO, TSX)
CDS - N-TEN-AT4
STN (Raturation, MiniMooPre, ArPre, OberPre, STUD 1810)

Nebula:
AlexB Consoles and Tapes Saturators
(CLC, MFC, VBC, SC81, N14 PRO, TSX)
CDS - N-TEN-AT4
STN (Raturation, MiniMooPre, ArPre, OberPre, STUD 1810)

Bundles: None

Channel Strips: None

basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:I actually do know some of them very well, how they work and
what i can do, but it is just too much, i went way overboard.
The same thing is with SoftSynths and Sample Libraries.


Keep the one you know super well n work with them.

Softsynth, scale them down too.

I use only a few like uhe Zebra, Serum, Spire and Massive.

Sample Libs, i have lot's too but i have learn to choose wisely what i need and what i can do without.
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby Mercado_Negro » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:25 am

Start working on a song (producing or mixing, no difference) and go adding plugins, the first choice that comes to your mind depending on what you're going to process. Don't spend too much time with each plugin, just tweak it a bit and move on. Don't use too many plugins, just the basics to get the song sounding nice. Finish it, no matter what. Repeat this two days later (you can use a different set of plugins). Wait a day or two.

Now compare both mixes/songs and ask yourself "did I just finish two songs in a week?" There you'll realize it's not the amount of tools stopping you but your determination to get things done.
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:16 am

Thanks guys...i have the whole time in the world, i am in the
studio 24/7, that's basically all i do, i do not go anywhere
else for work...i have the whole time and yet i screwed up last
2-3 years just collecting processors. With your help and inputs
i have to find some kind of concept that i can work with, it is
overwhelming like this for me. I don't do nothing lately, it
feels like playing video games.

David, i see you recommend keeping the AOM Limiter?
I like the Kratos Maximizer too, there is Elephant too.
What about SOR8 and sKnote Disto? sKnote RoundTone, will
it do the Job of a Tape and not using any Nebula Tapes?
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby davidgary73 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:43 am

basaristudios@gmail.com wrote:David, i see you recommend keeping the AOM Limiter?
I like the Kratos Maximizer too, there is Elephant too.
What about SOR8 and sKnote Disto? sKnote RoundTone, will
it do the Job of a Tape and not using any Nebula Tapes?


Read good reviews on AOM limiter but anyway, put all 3 limiters and see which gives you the best results.

I reckon Sknote Disto would sound much better, more tonality options than SOR8. Imho, i'll choose Disto :)

Tape, RoundTone is fine but i prefer Neb tape. Neb tape always sounds better than any algo.
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:53 am

Mercado_Negro wrote:Start working on a song (producing or mixing, no difference) and go adding plugins, the first choice that comes to your mind depending on what you're going to process. Don't spend too much time with each plugin, just tweak it a bit and move on. Don't use too many plugins, just the basics to get the song sounding nice. Finish it, no matter what. Repeat this two days later (you can use a different set of plugins). Wait a day or two.

Now compare both mixes/songs and ask yourself "did I just finish two songs in a week?" There you'll realize it's not the amount of tools stopping you but your determination to get things done.


Thats a really good advice
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:00 am

yep the aom limiter is wery good it shold do the trick for getting loadness
Dont think about other limiters, its the best i have tried so far, and i dont feel im missing another when i got that one, but your mix shold sound good before you touching that thing anyway IMO
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby jfjer379@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:44 am

jfjer379@gmail.com wrote:yep the aom limiter is wery good it shold do the trick for getting loadness
Dont think about other limiters, its the best i have tried so far, and i dont feel im missing another when i got that one, but your mix shold sound good before you touching that thing anyway IMO


Definitely check out some graham and pensado on youtube they explain alot in a easy way all the time how important it is not to ower complicate things
I have to remind my self of this once in a while too
Its also wery important to take breaks, if you working on the same song for days in mixing you start to lose fokus
rather than if you work quickly you will go with your gut and that i think its the best way, your ears is gonna be tired very soon if you dont move quickly
Its all the small steps you do that is gonna count
Countinue use the tools you already know, if there is something you find out you cant shape the way you want then maybe trie another plugin or check if the source is good enough, sometimes a re record is the way to go

Graham can get pretty good mixes with only daw plugins on pretty medicore recordings, and he is right in saying theres no magic Bullet of a plugin that is gonna do the mix, when i heard him say that for the first time my mixes instantly become better because he gave me a new mindset, i almost thought he was crazy when he said mix in mono (i say at least check your mixing in mono very often and make sure the instruments dont mask eatchother out, mono mixing really helps and it also sort of refocuses youre ears.
Take a break every 45 minutes listen to something else, use a reference track, are you close to what youre trying to do ?

This is stuff i have to do all the time or else i just keep boosting and adding to much, because your ears get used to a sound very quick. Check in cans also
I use sonarworks calibrating tool for getting flattest sound possible and that is the best plugin i really ever have bought, it can be used on speakers and on cans, i dont know how well you're acoustics is in youre studio of course , it could be great for all i know , but if it could be better get sonarworks

Having to much time can be just as much as a curse if you have all time in the world and doesent have a timer, belive me i know, set up your day as a normal work day , always take breaks, listen to reference track or something else that exites you, then do some mixing again. Im sure you have heard it all before but everytime i forget to do the basic i loose my self and ending up making the song worse than it was before i put anything on, so also make sure you balance the mix well, print out that dry balanced mix, and a/b against that too now and then to make sure what you have done so far really have improved your sound :)
When your work day is ower go home
Follow some simple rules like this will help im sure
good plugins will certanly help , but its the decisions you make that's gonna count :)
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Re: Ok, i have a big problem with Choice of Plugins...

Postby basaristudios@gmail.com » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:49 am

JFer you just raised another good point. A lot of time + a lot
of plugins = no music done. Time is like this, i wake up, make
coffee and smoke 5 cigarettes...and watch some news. Then sit
down read forums for 3 hours...then lunch...then smoke again...
then open the DAW and start going thru Synths. Find a Sound and
then start going thru FX...find an Effect and save the Project.
Go to sleep again...wake up again...same process all over.
The week after you find 10 saved project and you start opening.
They have no notes inside...just a Synth and an Effect...LOL.
I have to change from the roots up...something is wrong.
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