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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby SWAN » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:01 pm

I like how this thread is allowed to stand and the developer also answers in a calm manner.

Its so disappointing when companies do not allow some discussion.
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby richie43 » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:03 am

SWAN wrote:I like how this thread is allowed to stand and the developer also answers in a calm manner.

Its so disappointing when companies do not allow some discussion.


I think Giancarlo understands (more than many devs) that while endless praise is fun, threads like this brings issues worth looking at closer to the surface. The initial rant is probably secondary in importance to the varied responses from the more established user-base (in my opinion).
Plus, all of Acustica are unusually proactive in this regard. I like to say that they are super-cool in that Cockos/Reaper sort of way.
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby swartzfeger » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:31 pm

Maybe I can balance out the OP's complaints. Not that I have to, or should... if he's disappointed with Nebula, I certainly can't change that.

After months of thinking "should I, shouldn't I", I purchased a used Pro license from another user. I have no problem buying new, but being a Logic X Mac user and not knowing when we will see a native 64-bit AU, I was hesitant to spend full price.

Since Nebula Pro won't demo properly in Logic X, I've been testing Pro in Reaper. I've tested nothing but free/demo reverbs, such as the VNXT 140 demo, an M7 preset I found here, and a Cupwise tape/reverb hybrid.

All I can say is wow. I'm in love. Sounds fantastic. I want to buy Server ASAP so I can run it in Logic... just for the reverbs, nebula is worth the price for me. And I haven't even tried any EQ, preamp or tape presets. It sounds amazing.

But of course, life gets in the way... my car died today, it's being worked on tomorrow. Do I buy Server and quit waiting for Acustica to release a Pro 64-bit Mac solution? Or do I wait until Christmas... or next spring... or a year from now.

So at least for this paycheck, I may be deciding on my car, or Nebula Server. :)

Regardless, the M7 preset from Animus really opened my eyes (and that Stygian Tape verb from Cupwise? LOVE). Definitely worth the price.

Acustica, Giancarlo and Co. are definitely on the right path. I wish them great luck... and speed!
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby Masr » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:40 pm

dpclarkson wrote:
True, Nebula is a workflow-killer, doesn't deliver
the amount of saturation levels I'd like to see, is
sensitive to clipping which causes artefacts, compression
isn't quite there yet, and it's too damn heavy on the cpu.
Still, I'm mixing with Nebula every day, together with other tools to get
the mix where I want.
Then again, in the HW-world; patching takes time,
maintenance takes time, printing to DAW takes time, recalling
settings takes time, etc. etc.
Buying 16 vintage N**e 1084's, 16 A*I 550's, an S*L 4000E console,
springs, plates, etc. is not an option for me.
This is a second best, again, it's a personal choice.
It works for some, but not for everyone I guess.

Exactelly, my word ;)
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby mightymosaic » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:20 am

I've been making music for 13 years, and nebula completely changed the game for me. Its innovation at its finest.
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby botus99 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:36 am

After getting used to the workflow, I can't go back to not using Nebula. It takes me a good while to Nebulize my sessions as I can be quite nit-picky. Plus, now that I've amassed a good collection, AND have a good understanding of how and when to use them, things can be very... anal (sorry, can't think of a better word :lol: )

Then there's the settings and making sure everything is set up to good levels. This all takes time, and most people just can't see themselves justifying it. The payoff is more than worth is though! When you get the flow down and know what mic/preamps/EQ/mojo/console/tape combination you want, there is just NO OTHER WAY to get things sounding like what Nebula does!

Then, after it's all Nebulized, I barely have to touch a thing! OK, that's a stretch, albiet a small stretch :mrgreen: There's been a great amount of sessions where I BARELY touch any eq or compression because the saturation build-up from the aforementioned programs really did the mixing for me!

Nebula makes me feel like I'm cheating. It's always hilarious when I load up an already bounced Nebulized session with maybe 4 or 5 plugins left on busses, and the client just looks at me like I performed some voodoo on it.

OK, fanboy rant over :oops:
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby dagovitsj » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:02 pm

@ botus99: please rant further!

Then there's the settings and making sure everything is set up to good levels. This all takes time, and most people just can't see themselves justifying it. The payoff is more than worth is though! When you get the flow down and know what mic/preamps/EQ/mojo/console/tape combination you want, there is just NO OTHER WAY to get things sounding like what Nebula does!


This is very interesting info. I'm trying to work out a good workflow by nebulizing my audio files to set up a good rough mix.

I'm testing NebulaMan (demo) at the moment, but have only scimmed through the pdf manual and not done real testing yet.

So what I can understand is that you set up a chain of: mic/preamps/EQ/mojo/console/tape combination

I'm not sure if I understand how you can put an EQ in your chain and render - but I reckon you have made this chain as a fxchain in Reaper, load it and tweak the EQ so it fits the instrument - and then render it either inside Reaper or with NebulaMan?

It seems to me that you and greekpeet have some similarities in your work flow. But I can't read from your post if you do several passes, use different tape libs for certain instruments etc?

Can you please elaborate further about what's your workflow? Do you use NebulaMan or fxchains in Reaper or?
Do you have some chains that work good for bass, drums, guitars etc? Want to share some tips? ;)

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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby richie43 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:55 pm

I have a similar work-flow, but I use the batch-processing in Reaper quite a bit instead of rendering within the project. It took me a LONG time to know what to use where, and I still preview some things. But I even batch process some EQ's, especially small adjustments that I can fine-tune later with a lighter and more transparent algo plugin. Nebulaman seems like an amazing app, but if you are in Reaper, you already have similar functionality (Sorry Zab...But GET NEBULA SET-UPS, that is the other time-saver, the one-two punch!).
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby giancarlo » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:27 pm

richie43 wrote:
SWAN wrote:I like how this thread is allowed to stand and the developer also answers in a calm manner.

Its so disappointing when companies do not allow some discussion.


I think Giancarlo understands (more than many devs) that while endless praise is fun, threads like this brings issues worth looking at closer to the surface. The initial rant is probably secondary in importance to the varied responses from the more established user-base (in my opinion).
Plus, all of Acustica are unusually proactive in this regard. I like to say that they are super-cool in that Cockos/Reaper sort of way.


well, it's because we are working hard, so we are confident on what's going on. I think 2014 will be an year dedicated completely to workfow. The engine is pretty good, cpu are faster ad faster and 3rd party developers are releasing amazing products, imho better than ones released elsewhere ( at least on the vintage emulation side).
So we'll focus on three things
1) look and feel (less convoluted, simple designs, elegance)
2) installation procedure (installers, shop, authorization)
3) high end features (precision of visual feedback, support of formats/platforms, hardware releases)

we are already working on all of them.
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Re: Nebula is becoming more a bullshit than a real studio to

Postby bamboo123 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:14 am

hi all!
i had to change my computer,pass from logic mac to pc to be able to have nebula 64 bits,now i am on studio one,there some crash,cpu spike,i lost like 6 months to make all this,passing from mac to pc etc,
but my productions now sounds year ahead from what is was before nebula,sometimes its a nightmare,but i am so grateful that this company exist,when i hear my tracks now,i fell like i have a two millions dollars studio,i got 90% of all the banks,i spend money but now i leave in a audio paradise!!!!
and if some people with a bad acoustic,bad speakers,or bad ears,say that nebula become bullshit,then may be they miss some talent
thanx acustica!!!!
ps:will be nice for the people who got a lot of banks when we load the plugin nebula don't check anymore all the banks,just the presets used
giancarlo,do you think its possible for the future cauz when i open a project its around 10mn to load
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