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How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby seabstudio » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:13 pm

Hello ,

I made some "research" about the hardware use in JA in 70 / 80 , especially Channel One Studio era.
Listen that Album for exemple :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUC7cDuF69Y

I heard , very damped Drum ( maybe Calfskin head ) , lot of saturation and harmonic distortion , rimshot fat snare /

King Tubby had a custom desk console :

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73 ... nobmap.jpg

with HPF 11 step position like this
http://signaltonoize.com/?page_id=2361


All mix buss are in mono , Drum in channel 1 , Keyboard and Guitars on 2 , bass on 3 and Vocals / Horns in 4...

The others faders are use to control the delay for each tracks , he use a feedback loops with sub group i think ( the console have just one aux for spring reverb , Fisher K10 Space expander model / tape for delay ) ...
look that old video , Prince Jammy ( another guy in this era ) use this console for Live mixing Dub Session like an instrument !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KsWcv6YnM

I try to recreate that fx chain with Nebula

Originally , the recorded tracks came from Channel One studio.

They use an A*I 2488 + Ampex 440 ( early recording on 4 track ) and MM1200 after 80 I think and a lot of vintage stuff for recording , they give 4 stems to another studio ( King Tubby Studio ) to "make" it the vocal & dub or mix

So actually I use :

Emulation API2488 / AMPEX440B

-ACC console from CDS ( more medium vibe character )
or
- Alex B A16 ( Mic/DI input - DRM group buss- Mix Buss vintage )
http://www.alessandroboschi.eu/html/ale ... onsole.htm

For PREAMP
http://www.alessandroboschi.eu/html/ale ... ration.htm

For TAPE

- APX MM1100 + Tape Booster ( CDS ) + vst Satin plugins on every track
http://cdsoundmaster.com/site/cds-softw ... e/APX.html
And APX 440 B for 4 tracks mixing

CHAMBER/ ROOM EMULATION

-Echo chamber from Room Hunter
http://www.acustica-audio.com/index.php ... Itemid=223

- Roland Jazz Chorus / Vox for Palm guitar muting and skunk
see Henry Olonga programs

After that i convert the total mix in 4 STEM mono track so i use

Tubby use a MCI console Custom , but part is Electrodyne / Altec too ( the console was open in museum in Seattle , they see inside )

Sio i use this emulation :
- Langevin L-401 from Signal to Noize ( line / subbuss / mixbuss )
http://signaltonoize.com/?page_id=3341

- Langevin filter set ( passive filter like King tubby )
- Another APEX collection program from CDS ( ATR )

With all the instance above the sound is very fat, more musical , but i want to add more distorsion and Nebula can t do that when you push over and over in gain preamp
All comments will be appreciated

Thanks in advance

*sorry for bad english i'm french .
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby Definity » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:07 am

R2R, STN Plex Delay. also Analog in the box has a cool tube reverb nice an low fi!!! also i think CupWise has a LoFi library as well tascam tape i believe and micheal has a cool tube library for got the name though some decent vintage tubes in there!
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby beingmf » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:57 am

As for the hihats – Tubby used a self-designed filter device for that, most likely some HP with several peaks, almost like a phaser. The snare has to be tuned for the recording! And of course, the mics (and positioning) are essential, you haven't mentioned those.

As for the saturation: while some developers really do a fantastic job with some libraries (SCS, Titan v2...) ATM, another tool has become almost indispensable here alongside Nebula – Klanghelm's SDRR. You won't regret it at all!
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby ngarjuna » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:05 pm

beingmf wrote:As for the saturation: while some developers really do a fantastic job with some libraries (SCS, Titan v2...) ATM, another tool has become almost indispensable here alongside Nebula – Klanghelm's SDRR. You won't regret it at all!

+1. I'd be tempted to think Nebula might not be dirty enough for what you want by itself.
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby seabstudio » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:05 pm

beingmf wrote:As for the hihats – Tubby used a self-designed filter device for that, most likely some HP with several peaks, almost like a phaser. The snare has to be tuned for the recording! And of course, the mics (and positioning) are essential, you haven't mentioned those.

As for the saturation: while some developers really do a fantastic job with some libraries (SCS, Titan v2...) ATM, another tool has become almost indispensable here alongside Nebula – Klanghelm's SDRR. You won't regret it at all!

When you talk about "Tubby used a self-designed filter device", you talk about special filter like Altec / Langevin Cinema Engering / Pultec

Scientist have this one i think

http://www.dyz.com/otherstuff/IMG_0308.jpg

Look this vidéo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olxo5xZ8qmo

This is the filter you tell me ?
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby seabstudio » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:10 pm

beingmf wrote:As for the hihats – Tubby used a self-designed filter device for that, most likely some HP with several peaks, almost like a phaser. The snare has to be tuned for the recording! And of course, the mics (and positioning) are essential, you haven't mentioned those.

As for the saturation: while some developers really do a fantastic job with some libraries (SCS, Titan v2...) ATM, another tool has become almost indispensable here alongside Nebula – Klanghelm's SDRR. You won't regret it at all!


Thanks for information , i test this ASAP !!! Klanghelm's SDRR.

For the Drum Mic positioning , i'm totally agree ....
I think it the most important & difficult part ...A lot of experience is required :)
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby Tim Petherick » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:26 pm

Speaking of which I'm creating a new library for drive.It gets that purring bass that you hear on some of those records.

If you want I can process some audio for you to hear the progress if you so wish.
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby seabstudio » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:47 pm

beingmf wrote:As for the hihats – Tubby used a self-designed filter device for that, most likely some HP with several peaks, almost like a phaser. The snare has to be tuned for the recording! And of course, the mics (and positioning) are essential, you haven't mentioned those.

As for the saturation: while some developers really do a fantastic job with some libraries (SCS, Titan v2...) ATM, another tool has become almost indispensable here alongside Nebula – Klanghelm's SDRR. You won't regret it at all!


Thanks for information , i test this ASAP !!! Klanghelm's SDRR.

For the Drum Mic positioning , i'm totally agree ....
I think it the most important & difficult part ...A lot of experience is required :)
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby elam » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:18 am

I just finish a "similar" production.Late 70's roots and culture.(not dub).

You should be there with what you got already plus all the good advices here.I bought SDRR at the very end of the session and didn't have time to use it for that.But I'm pretty sure you can come close to that hi hat sizzle with it.(support Tony who is also a Nebula user).

From the top of my head, I use Cupwise spring reverb and chose the shittiest one,extra drippy.I wanted to hear those springs! (The Gibbs-I don't remember how Tim calls it,but check,it's a wonderful library.).Spring reverb is crucial for the Roots sound for me.

I'm agree that Nebula can't saturate (or maybe stacking 6 instances)like that yet.So if ITB, use amp sims, pedal sims,tape sims,and don't be shy.

I remember that I used Ferrox AND Reelbus from Tone Booster to make it even more dirty at the very end.And I push them hard.

Last: I don't remember where I heard that,but from my experience it's true.Your dub has to come from a good/great reggae song.It's fundamental.I should add,great players.Especially the bass.You or him have to really be reggae and feel this music.Even if you're from Finland.

... Or you will end up with some half-ass cold hearted roots music.Good luck.
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Re: How to get that "Vintage" Reggae Dub sound ?

Postby seabstudio » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:36 am

timp wrote:Speaking of which I'm creating a new library for drive.It gets that purring bass that you hear on some of those records.

If you want I can process some audio for you to hear the progress if you so wish.


Yes !
I've see your TNT expander library .... good project i have already the Softube one ...
I send you a bass tonight if you can process it, cool =thanks , it's a recut of the Classic "Hard Time" by Pablo Gad...whitch hardware you're emulate for Purring bass ? :)
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