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Increase Gain Range

Postby Puranon » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:04 pm

the 6db limit is too small. We should be able to go at least 18db in either direction.
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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby enriquesilveti » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:10 pm

Puranon wrote:the 6db limit is too small. We should be able to go at least 18db in either direction.


Nebula is a FX processor. I/O values should be the same. You can use a gain plugin for this task.
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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby Puranon » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:46 pm

What about those Nebula programs that use -18db as 0dbVU?

Why the particular +6db limit? What harm would it do to add another +12db gain range?
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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby enriquesilveti » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:03 pm

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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby mathias » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:14 am

Puranon wrote:What about those Nebula programs that use -18db as 0dbVU?

Why the particular +6db limit? What harm would it do to add another +12db gain range?


you can get some crazy, ear damaging artefacts with many programs, when you go into them with high levels. from the developer side you can give people a hint, what levels are save and resemble the nominal levels off the hardware.

when you want to experiment with higher levels, click on edit in a chosen program and go to the glob-page. there you have pad in and pad out levels.
set pad in to the desired levelpush you want to have and compensate with pad out.
pull down the loudness off your monitors before and maybe use a safety limiter on your masterbus. some programs behave very unpleasant.

i think it is a safe way like it is now and you can always manipulate under the hood if you like to experiment.

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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby Puranon » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:17 pm

Nebula is not supposed to recieve any signal hotter than 0dbfs. But this request is to make up the gain that has been lost via reduction in a previous Nebula instance. Not to overdrive Nebula. Do you really want to have to insert an extra gain plug inbetween two instances of Nebula?

Why do you think the max gain should be only +6db?
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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby RJHollins » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:33 pm

reason being that PEAK levels are usually around -6dB.
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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby mathias » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:28 pm

Puranon wrote:Nebula is not supposed to recieve any signal hotter than 0dbfs. But this request is to make up the gain that has been lost via reduction in a previous Nebula instance. Not to overdrive Nebula. Do you really want to have to insert an extra gain plug inbetween two instances of Nebula?

Why do you think the max gain should be only +6db?

so you mean gain out?
which programs do you use, where so much gain is lost? compressors have makeupgain. other programs that are more static levelwise, can be tuned via edit/glob/pad out, to give you what you want. you can save that state then, so you will never loose any gain again with this program.

just my point of view, i can't imagine a scenario you may have in mind. please elaborate ...

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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby Puranon » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:15 pm

You want to simulate driving a desk hot, but you need to keep the output of each plugin from hitting 0dbfs.

The only way is to decrease output from the previous plug to below 0dbfs and increase input on the following plug by the same amount.
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Re: Increase Gain Range

Postby giancarlo » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:27 am

the real trouble here is backward compatibility. There are so many programs for nebula nowdays, and changing even a little thing could lead to incredible issues to everyone (because that developer did that, on other developer hacked an other thing and so on). Input and Output are supposed to work in that way. I think the engine will never change any more, even if we'll release a different nebula we'll be forced to wrap the current engine inside a different box.

At the moment we could only add something, not change something.
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